The uniqueness of limit models in stable abstract elementary classes (AECs) is a dividing line tied to superstability and to Shelah's categoricity conjecture. A 2025 paper of Jeremy Beard (arXiv:2511.18665) proves that all high-cofinality ('long') limit models are isomorphic assuming only a weak independence relation, and along the way proves Lemma 2.26: for an independence relation satisfying weak extension and weak uniqueness on an AEC whose models of size λ\lambda amalgamate, (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-symmetry implies (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-weak non-forking amalgamation. The paper explicitly asks (Question 2.27) whether the converse holds: does (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-weak non-forking amalgamation, together with weak extension and weak uniqueness, imply (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-symmetry? No resolution is known in either direction: neither a proof of the implication nor a counterexample is known. The question remains open, and the two properties are defined as in Definition 2.23 of the source paper.

Background

An abstract elementary class (AEC) is a pair K=(K,≤K)\mathbf{K}=(K,\leq_{\mathbf{K}}) consisting of a class of structures closed under isomorphisms and a partial order ≤K\leq_{\mathbf{K}} refining the ordinary substructure relation, closed under directed unions and satisfying a Loewenheim-Skolem property witnessed by a cardinal LS⁡(K)\operatorname{LS}(\mathbf{K}). AECs generalize the class of models of a complete first-order theory with elementary embeddings; their classification theory, and in particular Shelah's categoricity conjecture (the assertion that categoricity in one sufficiently large cardinal implies categoricity in all larger cardinals), is a central topic of non-elementary model theory. For a cardinal λ\lambda, Kλ\mathbf{K}_{\lambda} denotes the models in K\mathbf{K} of size λ\lambda, and K\mathbf{K} is λ\lambda-stable if every M∈KλM\in\mathbf{K}_{\lambda} realizes at most λ\lambda many Galois types. Galois (orbital) types are the AEC substitute for syntactic types: gtp(a/M,N)\mathbf{gtp}(a/M,N) is the equivalence class of the realization a∈Na\in N over the model MM under the transitive closure of the relation of being connected by a K\mathbf{K}-embedding fixing MM; since in general no single sufficiently saturated and homogeneous 'monster' model is available as it is in complete first-order theories, the ambient model NN is part of the data. The amalgamation property (AP) for Kλ\mathbf{K}_{\lambda} says that any two extensions in Kλ\mathbf{K}_{\lambda} of a model M∈KλM\in\mathbf{K}_{\lambda} can be jointly embedded over MM. A model NN is universal over MM (of the same size) if every extension of MM of that size embeds into NN over MM; a (λ,δ)(\lambda,\delta)-limit model over MM is the union of an increasing chain ⟨Mi:i<δ⟩\langle M_i:i<\delta\rangle of models of size λ\lambda starting at MM in which each Mi+1M_{i+1} is universal over MiM_i. Limit models are a surrogate for saturated models, and whether limit models over the same base of different lengths must be isomorphic is a well-studied dividing line: in first-order theories this uniqueness holds exactly in the superstable case (superstability means stability in every cardinality above some bound depending only on the theory), while in strictly stable classes (stable but not superstable) limit models of different lengths can be non-isomorphic. Positive uniqueness results have historically assumed a symmetry property of an independence notion, together with categoricity or superstability; Boney and VanDieren proved, assuming (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-symmetry of non-splitting, that all limit models of cofinality above the local-character cardinal (local character is the property that every type over any model does not split over some submodel of size below a fixed bound) are isomorphic in strictly stable AECs. An abstract class (AC) is a pair like an AEC without the directed-union and Loewenheim-Skolem requirements: a class of structures closed under isomorphisms, ordered by a partial order ≤K\leq_{\mathbf{K}} that respects isomorphisms and refines the substructure relation; the source paper works both with the AEC K\mathbf{K} itself and with sub-ACs of Kλ\mathbf{K}_{\lambda}. An independence relation on an abstract class is a relation ↓\downarrow on tuples (M0,a,M,N)(M_0,a,M,N) with M0≤KM≤KNM_0\leq_{\mathbf{K}}M\leq_{\mathbf{K}}N and a∈Na\in N (read: the type of aa over MM, computed in NN, does not fork over M0M_0), required to be invariant under K\mathbf{K}-embeddings and monotone. The canonical example in stable AECs is λ\lambda-non-splitting: a Galois type over NN does not λ\lambda-split over M≤KNM\leq_{\mathbf{K}}N if its restrictions to any two submodels of NN containing MM that are isomorphic over MM agree under that isomorphism. The source paper isolates weak forms of the classical uniqueness and extension axioms, which are essentially the strongest available for non-splitting: weak uniqueness says that two types over NN that both do not fork over M0M_0 and agree on their restriction to MM must be equal, provided MM is a universal extension of M0M_0 (written M0≤KuMM_0\leq_{\mathbf{K}}^{u}M); weak extension says that a type over MM that does not fork over M0M_0 extends to a type over NN that does not fork over M0M_0, again in the universal-extension situation M0≤KuM≤KNM_0\leq_{\mathbf{K}}^{u}M\leq_{\mathbf{K}}N. The two properties compared by the question (both from Definition 2.23 of the source paper) are stated for an abstract class K′\mathbf{K}' with K(λ,≥κ)⊆K′⊆Kλ\mathbf{K}_{(\lambda,\geq\kappa)}\subseteq\mathbf{K}'\subseteq\mathbf{K}_{\lambda}, where K(λ,≥κ)\mathbf{K}_{(\lambda,\geq\kappa)} is the class of (λ,≥κ)(\lambda,\geq\kappa)-limit models (limits whose length has cofinality at least the regular cardinal κ<λ+\kappa<\lambda^{+}), and for a limit ordinal θ<λ+\theta<\lambda^{+} (in the intended applications a regular cardinal in [κ,λ+)[\kappa,\lambda^{+})). Definition 2.23 of the source is stated under the standing assumption that K\mathbf{K} is stable in λ≥LS⁡(K)\lambda\geq\operatorname{LS}(\mathbf{K}); the clauses themselves do not invoke stability, and Question 2.27 is printed with amalgamation in Kλ\mathbf{K}_{\lambda} as the only hypothesis on K\mathbf{K} (see the source-text note in the problem statement). (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-symmetry (Definition 2.23(1), adapted from Boney and VanDieren) says: whenever M0,M,N,Ma,Na∈K′M_0,M,N,M^{a},N^{a}\in\mathbf{K}' with MM a (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-limit model over M0M_0, M≤KuMa≤KNaM\leq_{\mathbf{K}}^{u}M^{a}\leq_{\mathbf{K}}N^{a}, M≤KN≤KNaM\leq_{\mathbf{K}}N\leq_{\mathbf{K}}N^{a}, a,b∈Na,b\in N with a∈Maa\in M^{a}, gtp(a/M,N)\mathbf{gtp}(a/M,N) does not fork over M0M_0 and gtp(b/Ma,Na)\mathbf{gtp}(b/M^{a},N^{a}) does not fork over MM, there exist Mb,Nb∈K′M^{b},N^{b}\in\mathbf{K}' with M≤KMb≤KNbM\leq_{\mathbf{K}}M^{b}\leq_{\mathbf{K}}N^{b}, N≤KNbN\leq_{\mathbf{K}}N^{b} and b∈Mbb\in M^{b} such that gtp(a/Mb,Nb)\mathbf{gtp}(a/M^{b},N^{b}) does not fork over M0M_0. (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-weak non-forking amalgamation (Definition 2.23(2)) says: whenever M0,M,M1,M2∈K′M_0,M,M_1,M_2\in\mathbf{K}' with MM a (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-limit model over M0M_0, M≤KMlM\leq_{\mathbf{K}}M_l and al∈Mla_l\in M_l with gtp(al/M,Ml)\mathbf{gtp}(a_l/M,M_l) not forking over M0M_0 for l=1,2l=1,2, there exist N∈K′N\in\mathbf{K}' and K\mathbf{K}-embeddings fl:Ml→Nf_l:M_l\to N fixing M0M_0 such that gtp(fl(al)/f3−l[M3−l],N)\mathbf{gtp}(f_l(a_l)/f_{3-l}[M_{3-l}],N) does not fork over M0M_0 for l=1,2l=1,2. Lemma 2.26 of the source paper proves that weak extension, weak uniqueness and (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-symmetry together imply (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-weak non-forking amalgamation, and the main theorem of the paper then derives uniqueness of long limit models from the amalgamation-style property alone (with further weak hypotheses), subsuming the earlier uniqueness theorems of Boney and VanDieren and of Beard and Mazari-Armida. Whether the two properties are in fact equivalent under the weak axioms is Question 2.27 of the paper and the subject of this problem.

Problem Statement

Work in the framework of the source paper (arXiv:2511.18665, Definitions 2.5, 2.8 and 2.23). Let K\mathbf{K} be an abstract elementary class such that Kλ\mathbf{K}_{\lambda} has the amalgamation property, let κ<λ+\kappa<\lambda^{+} be a regular cardinal, let K′\mathbf{K}' be an abstract class with K(λ,≥κ)⊆K′⊆Kλ\mathbf{K}_{(\lambda,\geq\kappa)}\subseteq\mathbf{K}'\subseteq\mathbf{K}_{\lambda}, and let ↓\downarrow be an independence relation on K\mathbf{K} satisfying weak uniqueness and weak extension (Definition 2.8(1) and (2) of the source). Let θ<λ+\theta<\lambda^{+} be as in Definition 2.23 of the source (a limit ordinal; in the intended applications a regular cardinal in [κ,λ+)[\kappa,\lambda^{+})). Question 2.27 of the source paper: if ↓\downarrow satisfies (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-weak non-forking amalgamation (Definition 2.23(2)), must ↓\downarrow also satisfy (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-symmetry (Definition 2.23(1), including the containment b∈Mbb\in M^{b} in the conclusion as per Figure 1 of the source)? An affirmative answer is a proof that, in this framework, weak extension and weak uniqueness together with (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-weak non-forking amalgamation imply (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-symmetry. A negative answer is an explicit counterexample: a specific AEC K\mathbf{K} with Kλ\mathbf{K}_{\lambda} having amalgamation, an abstract class K′\mathbf{K}' as above, and an independence relation ↓\downarrow on K\mathbf{K} satisfying weak uniqueness, weak extension and (λ,θ)(\lambda,\theta)-weak non-forking amalgamation, together with a configuration (M0,M,N,Ma,Na,a,b)(M_0,M,N,M^{a},N^{a},a,b) satisfying the hypotheses of Definition 2.23(1) (as spelled out above) for which the conclusion fails. (Source-text note: the formal sentence of Definition 2.23(1) in arXiv v1 omits the clause 'b∈Mbb\in M^{b}' from the conclusion; it appears in Figure 1, in the proof of Lemma 2.26, and in the Boney-VanDieren ancestor definition, and is taken here as part of the intended notion. Definition 2.23 of the source is stated under the standing assumption that K\mathbf{K} is stable in λ≥LS⁡(K)\lambda\geq\operatorname{LS}(\mathbf{K}), but neither its clauses nor Lemma 2.26 nor Question 2.27 itself invokes stability beyond amalgamation in Kλ\mathbf{K}_{\lambda}, so the printed hypotheses are used here: a proof without stability is the stronger statement, and a counterexample in a class stable in λ\lambda refutes the question under either reading.)

References

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